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Post subject: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 25, 2009 - 9:18 pm |
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I need some help. I've recently heard about krill oil (instead of fish oil) on the market here in the US and have been surfing around to see if: 1. It's fishery is sustainable. 2. The fishing/processing method is not harmful to the environment. Krill is food for whales, penguins, seals, and fishes.... 3. The krill oil final product itself is free of contaminants like mercury, DDT, lead, etc. 4. Which brands are best and what doses are best recommended by experts/doctors. I have read the sales info but I'd like to find any serious studies or unbiased reports on the stuff. Panel weighs prohibiting krill fishing in open seasPlease post anything you find or email me if you like. David
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 25, 2009 - 10:06 pm |
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Krill oil is 3x as effective as fish oil. (Source: Wikipedia). The amount of krill oil needed is 1/6 of the total fish oil produced, since half of fish oil is not used for medicine. (Source: Wikipedia). If fish oil amassed 570K metric tons in 2005 (which we don't know if it did according to these statistics), then 2005 could have been supported by only 95K metric tons of krill oil and 235K metric tons of fish oil. So we're talking around 95,000 metric tons of krill oil. 106,000 metric tons of Antarctic krill were caught in 2007. Quite a large amount of the oil is lost from the krill as they are hauled in, due to the compression from their weight in the nets, meaning that prior to the catch, these krill account for far more than 106,000 metric tons of what's in the sea. (Source: Wikipedia). I highly doubt that krill is 100% oil, so that raises the weight even more. So your answer is that significantly more than 95,000 metric tons of krill must be hauled in per year to replace fish oil as medicine. That's not counting pet food.
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 25, 2009 - 10:12 pm |
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Interesting. So it's sounding better than fish oil so far in that regard at least. Need to find how much krill's out there and if we're anywhere close to competing with the wildlife that needs it. Sounds promising, I take fish oil once in a while to help with stress and it's great but you have to know which brands are safe from proper processing, etc.
Thanks.
_________________ David Campbell MarineBio Founder/Director Tel: 713-248-2576 PST >-<ºº>-<
"Extending a sea ethic would mean recognizing the ocean’s importance to the continued existence of life on our planet and to human futures. From this recognition would flow an appropriate sense of moral imperative, commitment, and urgency—urgency toward ending overfishing and wasteful bycatch and aggressively rebuilding depleted ocean wildlife populations, stabilizing human effects on world climate, slowing habitat destruction, stemming global transport and accidental introduction of "alien" species, curbing the flow of contaminants and trash, developing sustainable seafood farming, cultivating an informed approach to the seafood marketplace, and implementing networks of protected areas in the sea." - Dr. Carl Safina
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 25, 2009 - 10:17 pm |
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From what I've been reading, it appears the amounts consumed by wildlife amass tens of millions of metric tons, so unless we can only get 1 metric ton of oil from 1,000 metric tons of krill, I think we'll be fine.
The big question is: Are we able to haul in that much krill per year?
The other big question...is Antarctic krill really declining in number by 80% per year due to global warming? A frightening figure, if you ask me.
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 25, 2009 - 10:25 pm |
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I agree. I thought I saw that 80% declining stat too before, where did you see it? That's the sort of thing I'd like to check out. Seems to be little data concerning whether they purify the oil via reverse osmosis or something to keep out the heavy metals and other contaminants. I'd prefer zero methyl mercury in anything if possible... nasty stuff.
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"Extending a sea ethic would mean recognizing the ocean’s importance to the continued existence of life on our planet and to human futures. From this recognition would flow an appropriate sense of moral imperative, commitment, and urgency—urgency toward ending overfishing and wasteful bycatch and aggressively rebuilding depleted ocean wildlife populations, stabilizing human effects on world climate, slowing habitat destruction, stemming global transport and accidental introduction of "alien" species, curbing the flow of contaminants and trash, developing sustainable seafood farming, cultivating an informed approach to the seafood marketplace, and implementing networks of protected areas in the sea." - Dr. Carl Safina
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 26, 2009 - 9:30 am |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =292467048I corrected a fact on the page...according to the paper cited in the section regarding the decline, the 80% decline is estimated from 1975 -2005, a 30-year period. Very misleading (that's why I fixed it). (Yes, I'm Bob the Wikipedian, a proud yeoman editor, and will very soon be an experienced and established editor.)  Nothing here about how it's made, but it looks like it has several benefits, including helping learning disability disorders (that might be something I should look into)...
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: May 27, 2009 - 10:09 am |
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Just read Why krill oil? at http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/unca ... krill-oil/ - pretty interesting. Now I need to find those studies the Doc mentions.... Here's where all krill oil comes from http://www.neptunekrilloil.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=39Quote: Neptune sources its krill from the Antarctic Ocean. The management and control of krill harvesting is led by the 25-state member Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR), which is the official and reliable international organization responsible for krill fishery management. * Many studies have been undertaken and they show that the biomass of Antarctic krill, one of the world's most abundant biomass, may amount to 500 million tonnes. This standing stock is subject to annual natural reproduction providing renewable krill for predation, natural mortality and human exploitation. * The precautionary catch limit set by the CCAMLR was 6.6 million tonnes for 2008 and is reviewed annually. It was increased from 4.9 million tonnes in 2005/06 based on the results of recent surveys. o Less than 2% of the precautionary catch limit is actually harvested, which means that the catch limit is unlikely to be reached in the foreseeable future. o The precautionary catch limits on the krill fishery are under constant review by the Scientific Committee of CCAMLR which uses an ecosystem approach to management. * The annual natural reproduction of Antarctic krill is at least several hundred million tonnes constantly renewing the standing stock and granting sufficient krill for all marine mammals and fish, birds and human exploitation. o Antarctic baleen whales are estimated to consume 85 million tonnes per year. o Less than 120,000 tonnes of the annually set total catch limit of 6.6 million tonnes are harvested by fisheries. Since Neptune's activities rely on krill as a biomass to benefit human health, its conservation is in its foremost interest which leads the Company to continuously monitor the ecological- and environmental-friendly harvest of its krill. I have contacted them for more information, their product specs say that krill oil contains no heavy metals (mercury, lead, etc.) or dioxins. Will post their reply. And here's a good starting point concerning reported declines in krill populations: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dec ... opulationsQuote: Antarctic krill (Euphausia superba Dana) is regarded as the key trophic resource in the Southern Ocean, being the main (or only) food source for the majority of higher-level heterotrophs, including Antarctic vertebrates such as penguins, whales and seals. The remarkable adaptive success of krill in this extreme environment is evident from its extraordinarily high abundance of at least 500 million tons (Miller & Hampton 1989), possibly the largest for any multicellular species on the planet (Hempel 1994). Antarctic krill also sustain the biggest single species crustacean fishery of the world (Nicol & Endo 1997), with a harvest regulated by the Convention for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR), which sets annual catch limits for Atlantic and Indian sectors of the Southern Ocean (CCAMLR 1996). Recent reports have provided evidence of a possible decline in krill abundance (perhaps linked to the long-term global warming trend (Loeb et al. 1997)), accentuating the need for careful management of this important resource. - http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren ... obtype=pdfEffects of sea-ice extent and krill or salp dominance on the Antarctic foodweb Quote: Krill (Euphausia superba) provide a direct link between primary producers and higher trophic levels in the Antarctic marine food web1–6. The pelagic tunicate Salpa thompsoni can also be important during spring and summer through the formation of extensive and dense blooms6–9. Although salps are not a major dietary item for Antarctic vertebrate predators7,10, their blooms can affect adult krill reproduction and survival of krill larvae. Here we provide data from 1995 and 1996 that support hypothesized relationships between krill, salps and region-wide sea-ice conditions11,12. We have assessed salp consumption as a proportion of net primary production, and found correlations between herbivore densities and integrated chlorophyll-a that indicate that there is a degree of competition between krill and salps. Our analysis of the relationship between annual sea-ice cover and a longer time series of air temperature measurements12,13 indicates a decreased frequency of winters with extensive sea-ice development over the last five decades. Our data suggest that decreased krill availability may affect the levels of their vertebrate predators. Regional warming and reduced krill abundance therefore affect the marine food web and krill resource management. - http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/pd ... r.1997.pdfSo basically, if I understand it correctly, krill populations depend upon the annual extent of sea ice (to breed and feed) which is decreasing due to global warming. When will that decrease reach the point of making the krill fishery unsustainable? Have contacted CCAMLR to ask them. Will post any reply I receive.
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"Extending a sea ethic would mean recognizing the ocean’s importance to the continued existence of life on our planet and to human futures. From this recognition would flow an appropriate sense of moral imperative, commitment, and urgency—urgency toward ending overfishing and wasteful bycatch and aggressively rebuilding depleted ocean wildlife populations, stabilizing human effects on world climate, slowing habitat destruction, stemming global transport and accidental introduction of "alien" species, curbing the flow of contaminants and trash, developing sustainable seafood farming, cultivating an informed approach to the seafood marketplace, and implementing networks of protected areas in the sea." - Dr. Carl Safina
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: January 17, 2010 - 1:54 pm |
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I heard back from CCAMLR and they basically said they have no idea. To sum up what I know at this point: Krill harvested from the Southern Ocean is the cleanest and is being done by only one small company - NKO: http://www.neptunekrilloil.com/ - who I talked to and believe that they are not impacting ocean populations at this point mainly due to the small amounts of krill being harvested. There are large pharmaceutical companies though getting into the game now, who are also selling fish oil, and much of their krill oil being sold (such as the Walgreen brand) is actually mostly fish oil (read the labels). I take krill oil instead of fish oil and like it much better and it's also cheaper because you take less. NKO is the only brand that gets its krill from Antarctic waters I believe so I will only buy that until I hear that the fishing of krill in southern waters starts impacting any populations down there. Another important issue I found out was that krill fished from north of the equator is much higher in contaminants so if you take krill oil from northern oceans, make sure it's purified or the health risk is not worth it. If you have any additional information, please post it here as I'm sure this issue will evolve over time.
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: January 17, 2010 - 6:42 pm |
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Wow, that is really gross... and well... I feel really bad for the whales who cannot eat! :-( -Whale hugger  +  +er
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Post subject: Re: Krill oil? Good idea? Or Not? Posted: January 17, 2010 - 7:56 pm |
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Whales that cannot eat? Krill are small shrimp and there are bazillions of them. We basically have 3 choices: 1. Eat seafood - I don't trust most of it due to high contaminants (like mercury, lead, etc. especially in large fish like tuna, etc.) and I'm against overfishing (see http://www.nationalgeographic.com/endoftheline/), etc. 2. Take fish oil - same as above but you have to know which brands are safe, etc. - much much more fish are taken for fish oil (away from whales, etc.) than krill. 3. Take krill oil made from krill in the southern ocean - more health benefits than the above, much cleaner, with no impacts to ocean species at this time. I choose #3. And I only buy krill oil with NKO on the label from http://www.neptunekrilloil.com/products/nko - all the other kinds are inferior in one way or another. An example is http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-N ... B000GFJK0UWhere's the mercury come from, you ask?The USA has about 900 coal-burning powerplants that are discharging mercury into the air every moment of every day and it's then falling to land and washing into our waterways, into our streams, rivers and our ocean where it accumulates the most in the animals that live the longest (like our large fish, dolphins, whales, and other sea mammals). And this is only one reason we need to find alternative ways of producing electricity so we can stop burning coal and polluting the world we all live in.... Each one of our cars also emit mercury and other toxins into our air every time we drive.... For more info on mercury, check out: http://www.diagnosismercury.org/http://www.gotmercury.org/http://mercurypolicy.org/
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